100% yes to this! I’ve always been fat and Lizzo played a massive part in my journey towards self acceptance and self love. Seeing a fat woman live her life like that, perform in outfits that always seemed reserved for thin people, have fat dancers, not to mention her lyrics that were all about loving your body at any size…it meant SO much to me. I was a fan and went to her shows several times. Her response post to the accusations against her was just really not it. I remember the entire tone of that just not sitting right with me. I eventually unfollowed her when she posted that she finally reached her ‘goal weight’.
I’m not saying that if you’ve ever been fat or a ‘fat icon’ that you can’t lose weight. I’m not even saying that you can’t WANT to lose weight. There are a million reasons why someone’s body might change. But to actively celebrate it as a positive thing in a climate that is already so fragile? When it seems like we’ve taken a thousand steps back in terms of body diversity or positivity? When fat people, that Lizzo always claimed to care so much about, already feel so incredibly betrayed by everyone who has turned their backs on them the second Ozempic chic became the new trend? That’s wild to me.
Was her entire brand on empowering fat people? Or was she just a great singer? I don’t know I think you are reading way too much into this. The fact that she was empowered by her body doesn’t mean she can’t now go and be proud of losing weight, and yes she is a bit of a bully, but I see that as more of her brand than any empowering.
Okay you saying ‘It’s About Damn Time’ is the only memorable song on the album is an INSANE take. Special is packed with bops TOP to bottom. Honestly no skips.
Furthermore, I think most of what you said is a bit harsh. I see nothing wrong with anyone, including a bigger person, challenging themself to make lifestyle improvements. That’s not to say that if you’re bigger there’s something “wrong” or something “that you need to improve” but clearly if she felt she could exercise more/eat better to improve her life/health, i don’t think we should be mad at people for doing that. At the end of the day, exercising and eating healthy is scientifically proven to lead to a healthier body- Lowers chances of diseases/chronic illness, including obesity. That’s not a controversial thing to say. Just a fact. I think regardless of what size you are - you should be allowed to pursue a healthier you without being criticized or accused of being a traitor or selling out , or whatever the negative narrative is around her wanting to be healthier. An overweight person can love themself and be all about body positivity while ALSO striving to be better/healthier. In fact, always working to be better is one of the greatest forms of self love, in my opinion.
Lastly, i don’t defend any of the allegations in the lawsuit. IF true, that’s very unfortunate and disappointing i agree.
What I find most disappointing with Lizzo is that normally she'll own her mistakes and generally explains her thoughts process behind some of her decisions. She showed this particularly with the ableist slur issue she was made aware of it and made a statement herself. Unlike another big popstar who used the same slur months later and in my opinion issued a very generic statement through a spokesperson. So to have remained fairly silent on the lawsuit is a little saddening but then who knows how much she may be allowed to say.
The Ozempic shade feels a bit off brand with her usual messaging, but also I can totally get the idea if she's put in the extra effort to lose weight without it that being accused of using it can be frustrating. As long as she doesn't end up in the group of people that were formally plus-sized that become a more traditional size that then turn their back/dismiss their plus sized followers.
Sorry a lot but I've been think about this since I read it yesterday!
I hope she can come back- she is insanely talented and worked really hard to get here. Maybe that's why her behaviour and output isn't as slick as her protected, nepotistic peers and is coming across so badly. For me, nothing she has said or done would warrant a (career) death sentence.
That is so true about how hard she worked to get here and maybe explains her statements. I kind of agree, although I think I’d like some resolution to the dancer saga. I’ve heard them being interviewed and they came across quite well in the snippet I watched, said they didn’t want a cancellation but an acknowledgement or something along those lines
I think that the world of entertainment is totally different from any workplace though- at Glasto she had her arse hanging out and was downing tequila (and I loved it!)
Pushing boundaries seems an intrinsic part of it all. I don’t like it and obviously it seems she overstepped but I think she’s angry because her overstep is a toe in the wrong direction in comparison to literal rapists that seem untouchable. I hope she learns from this and launches an amazing comeback album 🤞🏻
As an eating disorders therapist, body positivity/neutrality generally supports body autonomy! Which means you do what's right for your body and I'll do what's right for mine. But I agree with the comments I see below, to celebrate it so openly in such a tenuous time for body acceptance feels like a rough choice. I find myself wishing she'd say something like, "hey, this was right for me, you do what will best support your health and happiness, at whatever size that may be!" But alas.
I find Lizzo's trajectory so sad. I LOVED her single, Good as Hell way back in 2016 before she really took off. I found her to be empowering and her music was fun! Then with the scandals and the weight loss, I stopped listening to her. It's a shame.
100% yes to this! I’ve always been fat and Lizzo played a massive part in my journey towards self acceptance and self love. Seeing a fat woman live her life like that, perform in outfits that always seemed reserved for thin people, have fat dancers, not to mention her lyrics that were all about loving your body at any size…it meant SO much to me. I was a fan and went to her shows several times. Her response post to the accusations against her was just really not it. I remember the entire tone of that just not sitting right with me. I eventually unfollowed her when she posted that she finally reached her ‘goal weight’.
I’m not saying that if you’ve ever been fat or a ‘fat icon’ that you can’t lose weight. I’m not even saying that you can’t WANT to lose weight. There are a million reasons why someone’s body might change. But to actively celebrate it as a positive thing in a climate that is already so fragile? When it seems like we’ve taken a thousand steps back in terms of body diversity or positivity? When fat people, that Lizzo always claimed to care so much about, already feel so incredibly betrayed by everyone who has turned their backs on them the second Ozempic chic became the new trend? That’s wild to me.
Was her entire brand on empowering fat people? Or was she just a great singer? I don’t know I think you are reading way too much into this. The fact that she was empowered by her body doesn’t mean she can’t now go and be proud of losing weight, and yes she is a bit of a bully, but I see that as more of her brand than any empowering.
Okay you saying ‘It’s About Damn Time’ is the only memorable song on the album is an INSANE take. Special is packed with bops TOP to bottom. Honestly no skips.
Furthermore, I think most of what you said is a bit harsh. I see nothing wrong with anyone, including a bigger person, challenging themself to make lifestyle improvements. That’s not to say that if you’re bigger there’s something “wrong” or something “that you need to improve” but clearly if she felt she could exercise more/eat better to improve her life/health, i don’t think we should be mad at people for doing that. At the end of the day, exercising and eating healthy is scientifically proven to lead to a healthier body- Lowers chances of diseases/chronic illness, including obesity. That’s not a controversial thing to say. Just a fact. I think regardless of what size you are - you should be allowed to pursue a healthier you without being criticized or accused of being a traitor or selling out , or whatever the negative narrative is around her wanting to be healthier. An overweight person can love themself and be all about body positivity while ALSO striving to be better/healthier. In fact, always working to be better is one of the greatest forms of self love, in my opinion.
Lastly, i don’t defend any of the allegations in the lawsuit. IF true, that’s very unfortunate and disappointing i agree.
What I find most disappointing with Lizzo is that normally she'll own her mistakes and generally explains her thoughts process behind some of her decisions. She showed this particularly with the ableist slur issue she was made aware of it and made a statement herself. Unlike another big popstar who used the same slur months later and in my opinion issued a very generic statement through a spokesperson. So to have remained fairly silent on the lawsuit is a little saddening but then who knows how much she may be allowed to say.
The Ozempic shade feels a bit off brand with her usual messaging, but also I can totally get the idea if she's put in the extra effort to lose weight without it that being accused of using it can be frustrating. As long as she doesn't end up in the group of people that were formally plus-sized that become a more traditional size that then turn their back/dismiss their plus sized followers.
Sorry a lot but I've been think about this since I read it yesterday!
I hope she can come back- she is insanely talented and worked really hard to get here. Maybe that's why her behaviour and output isn't as slick as her protected, nepotistic peers and is coming across so badly. For me, nothing she has said or done would warrant a (career) death sentence.
That is so true about how hard she worked to get here and maybe explains her statements. I kind of agree, although I think I’d like some resolution to the dancer saga. I’ve heard them being interviewed and they came across quite well in the snippet I watched, said they didn’t want a cancellation but an acknowledgement or something along those lines
I think that the world of entertainment is totally different from any workplace though- at Glasto she had her arse hanging out and was downing tequila (and I loved it!)
Pushing boundaries seems an intrinsic part of it all. I don’t like it and obviously it seems she overstepped but I think she’s angry because her overstep is a toe in the wrong direction in comparison to literal rapists that seem untouchable. I hope she learns from this and launches an amazing comeback album 🤞🏻
As an eating disorders therapist, body positivity/neutrality generally supports body autonomy! Which means you do what's right for your body and I'll do what's right for mine. But I agree with the comments I see below, to celebrate it so openly in such a tenuous time for body acceptance feels like a rough choice. I find myself wishing she'd say something like, "hey, this was right for me, you do what will best support your health and happiness, at whatever size that may be!" But alas.
I find Lizzo's trajectory so sad. I LOVED her single, Good as Hell way back in 2016 before she really took off. I found her to be empowering and her music was fun! Then with the scandals and the weight loss, I stopped listening to her. It's a shame.
She looks horrible. Her tits are in the wrong place. My god.
Completely missing the point…